Report of Engine Cab Condition Committee Meeting
Oct. 17, 1997, North Vancouver
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Attendance
| David Moorhouse | S. Biln |
| Harry Ulch | G. Younger |
| Rik Campbell | L. Behnish |
| Bob St.Criox | B. Colquohon |
| Guests | |
| J. Ruddel | R. Nicholls |
| S. Edgar | J. Brodie |
| Dick Yeomans | S. Heath |
| B. Pelland | J. Clarke (Pac. Enviro Consult.) |
| J. Blair |
GENERAL
R. Nicholls presents Pacific Environmental Consultants reports on air quality in Table and Wolverine tunnels, air in cab of moving engines within acceptable levels, air in tunnels after train with diesel operation has passed through contains Nitrous Oxide in quantities that are near levels considered immediately dangerous to life and health. Existing canister-type respirators now located in tunnel do not protect against NO2 .
BCR has issued instruction that only one diesel allowed on consist and this must be idled through tunnels.
Nicholls introduces bottled-air respirator system with hood, to be supplied to each crew member on trains passing through tunnels, as well as back-up air supplies to be located in tunnel at strategic locations. To be used in the event that train is disabled in tunnel and crew has to evacuate.
Discussion
Harry points out that smoke is not the only hazard in the tunnels: wet, dark, no walkway, 50,000 volts, no marker for summit. (CP has tunnels lit)
Ruddel: Report says "no effects on short term health", what about long term?
Nicholls: Levels within standards set by WCB Clarke: Minimum levels based on 8 hr. per day exposure
Yeomans: People sick after going through tunnel St. Croix: Believes long term exposure will cause some sort of detrimental health effect Brodie: Miners have been studied long term for similar exposure
Nicholls: CN engine exhaust leaks in past were specific incidents relating to manifold leaks on certain CN engines. Crew was likely sick from fumes well before entering tunnels. Exposure concerns are outside of trains. BCR wants to implement 100% sure-fire protection for worse case scenario, an effective, safe means of evacuation.
Escape system is 15-30 minute bottle with hood over head. Positive pressure system. Recommend each lead unit in tunnel service be equipped with these, provide training for use, institute regular inspection as well as additional bottles along tunnel walls.
Moorhouse: What indicates a need to use this equipment? Nicholls: NO2 is present with smoke, smoke in the air is indication to use.
Moorhouse: with a 15-30 minute bottle it seems that as soon as you put the equipment on you'll have to start looking for another bottle. Suggest initial 1 hr. supply.
Yeomans: Who is responsible for supplying equipment to engine?
Younger: Limited room in loco. Cab, where is this stuff to be stored? Nicholls: must be in clean, warm environment
Moorhouse: Does pressure drop with temperature? Nicholls: minimal
Moorhouse: There is a perception that, regardless of the report, cab air on moving engine is unhealthy. Will there be any repercussion if employee uses this equipment every trip while travelling through tunnel? Nicholls: Not intended for regular use, continued use could cause "dry air" type illness, lung conditions, pneumonia.
Summary
| Safety meeting or training in equipment use with all Tumbler crews. Also training in conjunction with rules classes? | |
| 1 hour system | |
| Method of supply on CN power | |
| Location and storage, supply replacements at Tumbler or Tacheeda | |
| Inspection | |
| Tunnel mounting, frequency |
At 11:00k meeting was relocated to 6th floor boardroom, Biln, Behnish, Younger, Colquohon, Campbell, St. Croix, Moorhouse, Ulch, Edgar, Yeomans in attendance.
Yeomans states third seat in GM's unacceptable, too crowded, too cramped, unsafe. Discussed removable seat option. Younger questions logic of removable seat, is it OK to have a third seat with a third crew member, but not with two crew members? Much discussion and argument. Union members call for caucus, decide that action referred to in BCR Oct 11, 1997 minutes (Item 8.3) "Sopel to contact B. Rose and appropriate union rep. for resolution", was never initiated. Agreed to send this issue to GC of A and BCR upper management for resolution.
Yeomans leaves meeting after lunch.
OCT 15TH ISSUES
Ovens and sinks all done except 6005
CAT toilet area heating, BCR unable to comply with Ministry requirements of 650 year round. Investigating insulation package from consultant specializing in arctic condition insulation. 2" thick "Armaflex" insulation glued to walls and ceiling, blankets on floor. Parabolic heater to be installed. Cost $5000 unit. Uncertainty if toilet area acceptable to D. Yeomans and northern members. Issue to be progressed to BCR management and GCA to ensure acceptance before being progressed further.
GENERAL
| Emergency rollover / collision responder | May be related to
CCO Ministry requirements, forward to GCA
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| CN power reliability | 40% failure rate, on-going problem for BCR |
| Cab conditions for future locomotive purchase | Moorhouse and Campbell provide list of proposals, Younger to schedule separate meeting to discuss |
| Traction motor cutouts | Single motor cutout would be helpful when plowing snow |
| Brown paper towels | Reappearing system-wide, Biln and Younger in investigate |
| Magnetic clips | Recommended by Woodpecker incident investigation, L. Behnish to obtain |
| Headphones | L. Behnish: Proposed for 1998 (subject to review), expect implementation over 3 yr. period. L. Behnish asks for information to further business case, Moorhouse provides copy of his LCAS report. |
| Cloth seats | Will be cleaned on all engines, at least this once. Revisit if necessary. |
| Conductor's side train measurement device | on-going
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| MK 5000 HP engines | 9903 on its way to N. Van. For demo purposes, looking at possible long-term lease, 9902 due next month |
| Armrests adjustment | To be addressed by next meeting |
| Locotrol, RSD tones | Difficult to change, may be able to mechanically muffle problem RSD tones |
| Ergonomic study | Moorhouse dissapointed that this has not progressed, expect that it will be done for future locomotive purchases |
ELECTRIC ENGINES
Ulch: Unhappy with sink location, not what we agreed to. Younger: Proposed location on back of short-hood door impractical for a number of reasons: interference / egress problems; drain maintenance;
Outstanding Issues
| Foam Headgaurds (side doors)Need to source appropriate material | |
| Noise insulation | |
| Full length mirror | |
| Circulating fan (schoolbus type)Biln to source and install prototype | |
| Speedometer for conductor's sideSource appropriate item | |
| Horn noise insulation / isolationKit available from Baltaur? | |
| Horn lever redesign | |
| Halon fire extinguisherMay now be illegal |
Progress date Mar 16, 1998
BUDDS
Eight Budds to stay in service for at least the next 2-3 years
Seats worn, some need replacing, all need cleaning
Brakepipe door, latch inadequate, need new latch
Sanders, robo-lube causes skidding, sanders need regular filling
CATS
| Traction motor blowers still blowing dirt and grime into cab | |
| Desks not located as close as possible to conductor as agreed (radio closer to door than desk) | |
| Baltaur seatsPedestal-style is OK for engines intended strictly for yard operation | |
| Durox sealsDesign on-going, hopefully a suitable design will be arrived at before the end of the year | |
| Toilet use while movingPassed on to GCA | |
| Sanders | |
| Knuckle spacers with slugWorn, need replacing |
Progress by Mar 16, 1998
640's to be retired before April 1998
GM's'/
Ovens Done
Fridges Done
Short Hood Bi-fold door Done
Baggage Storage Not Done
Third Seat To GCA
DASH 7's
Baggage storage Biln suggests removable rack or platform inside short hood door
Speedometer glare Suggest glare screen similar to computers; changing display background; further dimming
Seating To GCA
Seven upgraded, next due Jan / Feb
Moorhouse suggests vertical handhold on rear body next to steps similar to CATs
DASH 8's
Baggage storage on-going
Ovens / sinks done
Air incursion / drafts investigate further
Emergency valves painted red, sharp corners fixed
Noisy wiper exhaust Rik provides details of QNSL electric wipers and part numbers
DASH 9's
Solid-style hot plates not red hot on-going
Baggage storage on-going
Desks done
| Excessive vibration | Internal report pending, suspect integral frame / fuel tank design, fuel tank has I-beams attached on either side of tank, extending the length of the unit--essentially a big tuning fork. Will work with GE to fix, probably attempt to cure the symptoms rather than the cause. |
Next meeting Tues. Mar 17, 1998