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Issue #26
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No Charge
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Spring 2001
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Two years of labour peace? The membership has voted 70.4% in favour
of the agreement reached between BC Rail and the Council of Trade
Unions.
The Meeting Point crew would like to take this opportunity to thank
all the Council members for the dedication and hard work that resulted
in the agreement. Because of their efforts, not a single BC Rail
demand was entertained in the final agreement. Please support your
Council as they continue to work hard to obtain the best possible
conditions for their membership. The best way to do this is to attend
your union meetings, discuss the issues with your executive and
offer your input.
This year marks the beginning of our seventh year of publication.
This issue offers some basic information about your pension plan
and what other unions are doing to secure the future of their plans.
Also inside, our historian writes about the origin of standard time,
and you'll find news about overwork, the dangers of Mexican trucks
on our highways and some famous one-liners. Finally, sing along
with Junk Yard Dog, and read the latest from your local and general
committees.
Finally, remember this safety reminder: It's your life, don't leave
work without it!
Pension
Primer
The information that follows is general in nature. The benefits
paid to each individual will vary according to each individual's
circumstance. It is very important that plan members obtain advice
on their pensions from a qualified source, well in advance of retirement.
Questions about the BC Rail plan can be directed to the BC Pension
Corporation at 1-888-440-0111 or 250-953-4324 or Janet O'Connor,
Mgr. Benefits Utilization, 984-5050
How much pension will you need?
A common rule of thumb is that a retired person will require about
75% of pre-retirement income to maintain the same standard of living.
At retirement, Canada Pension Plan and Employment Insurance premiums
(totalling about 6% of income) cease because these premiums only
apply to employment income. Also, it is assumed that your income
level, and therefore your tax bracket, will be lower.
Your retirement income will be from a variety of sources, including
a workplace pension plan, private savings, Canada Pension Plan (CPP)
and Old Age Security (OAS).
When am I eligible to retire?
The BC Rail plan (and most other public pension plans) are based
on the "Rule of 85". That is, years of service plus age
must total 85. E.g. 60 years old with 25 years of service or 55
years old with 30 years of service. Federal law prohibits pensions
to be drawn earlier than age 55, unless you are a employed in public
safety (e.g. police, fire, corrections) where the minimum age is
50. Maximum pensionable service is 35 years.
Employees who do not meet "rule of 85" requirements,
may retire after age 55 with a reduced pension.
What does the BC Rail pension plan pay?
Your plan is integrated with the CPP. Consequently, the plan pays
1.3 % of your average yearly earnings per year of credited service
up to the Yearly Maximum Pensionable Earnings (YMPE), and 2% per
year for wages above the YMPE. In the case of retirement before
age 65, the plan will pay an additional 0.7% (bridge benefit) up
to your YMPE between age 55 and 65. At age 65, the bridge ceases,
and CPP and OAS kick in.
The YMPE is used for calculating CPP; it is supposed to represent
the average industrial wage in Canada. This figure is adjusted for
inflation, and changes yearly. For 2001, the YMPE is $38,300.
E.g. For an average wage of $50, 000 (30 years service)
(1.3% X $38,300 YMPE) = $651.10 + (2% X $11,700) = $234
($651.10 + $234) = $8851 X (30 years) = $26,553 / yr.
Depending on what age you retire, you will also receive either
the bridge benefit or equivalent CPP (0.7% X $38,300) = $268.10
X (30 years) = $8043
Total pension $34,596 / yr.
In addition, you will receive OAS at age 65 (at current levels
$431.36 / mo. or $5176.32 / yr.) bringing your total yearly income
to $39,772.32
Maximum CPP is $775 /mo. or $9383 /yr. OAS is subject to clawback
on a sliding scale starting at income above $53,215 / yr. By law,
maximum pension income is about $60,000 /yr. Any income above this
level is considered "offside" and is treated differently
for tax purposes.
Note that CPP can be collected starting at age 60. The rate is
reduced by 30%, but the BC Rail bridge benefit continues to age
65. If you compare collecting reduced CPP benefits starting at age
60 to collecting full CPP benefits starting at age 65, the total
benefits received by about age 77 is the same. In other words, you
can collect reduced benefits for 17 years or full benefits for 12
years and still end up with the same money. Either way, you continue
to collect CPP after age 77 until your death.
Pension benefits are indexed or increased, on Jan. 1 of each year,
according to the Consumer Price Index or a formula based upon interest
rates
Forms of Pensions
Pension benefits are paid in different forms. The Single Life,
Guaranteed form gives you the option to guarantee payments to your
beneficiary for 5, 10 or 15 years following your retirement. If
you are married, you are required to draw your pension in a form
called Joint Life and Last Survivor unless the option is specifically
waived by your spouse.
In this form, benefits will be reduced slightly, but will continue
to be paid after your death or the death of your spouse, depending
on the option. There are many different options and payment levels
for each form of benefit, and the benefit you receive will be reduced
according to the option you pick. Typically, any option you choose
is much cheaper than life insurance.
Medical, Dental, etc.
By law, other benefits like medical (MSP), dental and insurance
coverage cannot be paid as part of a pension benefit. The BC Rail
plan pays MSP benefits from the fund, for which the fund is then
reimbursed by BC Rail dollar for dollar.
The Plan
BC Rail is the sponsor of the BC Rail pension plan. Although the
plan is subject to Pension Benefits Standards Act and other legislation,
it is the responsibility of BC Rail. Our pension is probably the
largest value benefit our members receive, but it is not contained
in the collective agreement. The plan is not negotiable.
Pension plans are subject to an actuarial review every three years.
An actuary is an individual (a member of the Canadian Institute
of Actuaries or "CIA" ) qualified "in the modeling
and management of risk and contingent events". Actuaries use
assumptions about age levels, mortality rates, future benefit payments,
investment returns, employee turnover, wage and interest rate increases,
and other accepted standards to assess the solvency of a pension
plan and to determine the level of contributions necessary to maintain
or improve its solvency. In other words, actuaries make an educated
guess at whether a pension plan will have enough money to pay current
and future the members the benefits they are due when they retire.
The assumptions they make are typically very conservative.
The
Surplus
Prior to 1996, plan members were required to contribute 4.5% of
wages up the YMPE and 6% after that. BC Rail would then contribute
an amount (determined by the actuary) required to fully fund all
future benefits. Since 1996, the fund has had more money than is
required to pay all future benefits. As of Dec. 31, 1999, this surplus
stands at $137.2 million dollars.
In July 1996, the board of directors declared a contribution holiday.
Member's (and BC Rail's) contributions have since been paid from
the surplus. This contribution holiday remains in effect today.
The surplus has likely arisen from a number of factors. Primarily,
plan investment experience has been greater than was originally
assumed. In 1999, investment return averaged 11.9%. Typically, return
on investment is expected to be about 7% over the long term. Another
factor may have been optimistically high actuarial wage projections
and expected rates of increase. In this case, the fund would have
been required to put away money to pay for higher benefits (which
are based on a percentage of wages), but 0-0-2% wage restraint has
kept wage increases below the rate of inflation. In other words,
wage restraint may have played a factor in the creation of the surplus.
The Future
As the sponsor of the plan, BC Rail assumes all the risk. Members
benefits are protected if funding levels drop. But BC Rail also
receives the benefit of the contribution holiday. Although the surplus
was built with pension fund money, it does not belong to the plan
members.
Recently, members of other statutory plans such as the Public Service,
Municipal, Teachers, College, ICBC, WCB and Hydro have lobbied government
for joint trusteeship of their pension plans.
Joint trusteeship is based on the following principles:
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equal sharing of responsibility
for the management of the pension assets |
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agreement of sharing contributions
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equal sharing of responsibility
for any unfunded liability |
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equal ownership of any future surpluses
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protection of the plan from any
unilateral actions by the employer |
The surplus we are experiencing was created by investing our money,
and on the backs of workers experiencing wage restraint. It makes
sense to have a say in the use of future surpluses.
Check our website for more information, including the plan document,
links to the BC Pension Corporation, legislation, and joint trusteeship
information.
"Mona tried to tell me
To stay away from the train line.
She said that all the railroad men
Just drink up your blood like wine"
Bob Dylan,
Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
Amtrak Engineers Arrested for Fight
Source, The Associated Press
CHICAGO (AP) - Two Amtrak engineers were arrested last week after
an altercation in the cab of a Los Angeles-to-Chicago train, railroad
officials said Friday.
No passengers were endangered, but the engineers "compromised
service and an investigation and a disciplinary procedure are under
way,'' Amtrak said in a statement.
The men were arrested by police after stopping in Needles, Calif.,
on Jan. 24, officials said.
The train's engineer called Needles police before the train reached
the town's station, asking police to meet the train and arrest his
assistant engineer, The Washington Post reported Friday.
The men might have been involved in a fist fight that involved
a dispute over smoking in the train's cab, the newspaper reported,
citing railroad sources it did not identify.
Neither engineer was identified.
Sources told the Post that police officers did not want to arrest
either man, but each insisted on a "citizen arrest'' of the
other, so both were taken to jail.
The train was delayed for an hour and 38 minutes until another
engineer arrived.
CUPE
News Release
OTTAWA Were tired and were not going to
take it anymore. Thats the mood of Canadas largest
union as it released a new Ekos Research poll that shows public
sector workers are reeling from work overload.
"In some sectors, workload is reaching epidemic proportions,"
warned Judy Darcy, National President of the Canadian Union of Public
Employees. "Long hours of overtime and constant pressure to
speed up has a huge impact on workers and their families. This is
the number one issue affecting our members quality of working
life."
Armed with poll results that show 83 per cent of public sector
workers in key sectors want workload made a top priority, CUPE plans
to take the issue to the bargaining table in hundreds of workplaces.
Some local unions are prepared to make it a strike issue.
"The Japanese have a word for this karoshi, which means
death by overwork," Darcy said. "Its time we recognize
how serious the problem is in Canada and stop putting public sector
workers at risk.
"Public sector jobs have been slashed in recent years and
our members cant continue to do more with less," she
added. "We need more staff, improved wages and we need to ensure
that families with young children can get quality child care."
The poll shows that more than half of public sector workers see
their workload as heavy and growing. Concern is greatest among health
care and social service workers, but education and government workers
also report heavier workloads than those in the private sector.
For health care workers added duties and increased demand top the
list of causes for overwork while for government and education workers
staff cuts also play a big part. More than three-quarters of education
workers and two-thirds of health care workers say that workload
pressures are taking a toll on their physical health.
"Our members are sick and tired from overwork," said
Darcy. "Theyre passionate about wanting to deliver quality
services but their workloads simply wont allow it. For health
care workers, social workers and many others, this isnt just
a question of pride. This can be a matter of life and death."
http://www.cupe.org
Standard Time
~ John Holliday ~
Hey Buddy, do you have the time? "Every conductor, locomotive
engineer, trainman, pilot, foreman, snowplow foreman and such other
employees as the company may direct, shall, when on duty, use a
railway approved watch and shall, in the application of Rule 2
blah,
blah, blah
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"Before commencing work, every employee referred to in Rule
2 shall compare the time on his watch with the time indicated on
a standard railway clock where one is provided or with a railway
approved time source. Where a standard railway clock or railway
approved time source is not accessible, obtain the correct time
from the RTC or by comparing with another employee who has obtained
the correct time."
Prior to 12 noon, Sunday November 18, 1883, nobody was positively
exactly sure what time it was, on a train. In the olden days, everybody
would set their watch downtown, at high noon. At a town one hundred
miles east, or west, however, it might be closer to eleven or thirteen
oclock, because of the transit of the sun.
This posed a real problem for people, and conductors. Most railroads
adopted a time standard of its home town, or an important
city on its route. This technique was first practised by The
Great Western Railway, of Great Britain, in 1840.
In May, 1872 an association of railroad superintendents held its
first meeting at the old Southern Hotel in St. Louis. They wanted
to organize summertime passenger train schedules, and a permanent
organization was formed. The time-table convention became the general
time convention, the American Railway Association, and finally,
the Association of American Railroads.
The
secretary of the general time convention, William F. Allen, worked
tirelessly to convince railroads in the states to adopt a standard
time.
Canadas Sir Sanford Fleming, (of the Canadian Pacific Railway)
advocated an international system of established time zones. In
1884 at the Prime Meridian Conference, in Washington D.C., a system
of international time zones was adopted, which is still in use today.
Meeting Point is published four times yearly for the information
and entertainment of the members of United Transportation Union
Locals 1778 and 1923 (BC Rail).
The Editors of Meeting Point support the concept of free speech
and welcome any submissions that may be of interest to our members.
Submissions may be made to any Union Officer, E-mail editor@utubc.com
or our Web page at http://www.utubc.com/
We reserve the right to edit for brevity and clarity. The opinions
contained herein are not necessarily those of the Editors or the
United Transportation Union.
Deadline for submissions:
15 th of Mar, June, Sept., Dec
Mexican trucks and sleep-impaired truckers threaten Canadian road
safety
OTTAWA, Feb. 15 /CNW/
A safety group today cited the anticipated arrival of Mexican trucks
and Mexican truck drivers on Canada's roads as another reason for
the federal government to abandon its current plans to legitimize
19th century style 84 and 96 hour workweeks for truckers driving
on Canada's roads.
Canadians for Responsible and Safe Highways (CRASH) was responding
to reports that President Bush will soon lift current U.S. restrictions
on Mexican truck operations. Under NAFTA, Canada is also obligated
to welcome these Mexican trucks.
CRASH executive director, Bob Evans, suggested that the arrival
of Mexican truckers in Canada - with a different safety culture
and language, when Canada is introducing new trucker work hours
substantially in excess of those in the United States "stretches
the safety envelope on Canadian roads beyond the tolerable".
Canada must accept the Mexican trucks and the risks they may pose,
Evans stated. But, he insisted that "This is no time to move
ahead with the current plans to legalize the world's longest truck
driver workload limits. Enough is enough."
Mr. Evans said that one of the recognized devices for ensuring
safe
operation everywhere by trucks and truck operators of the three
NA FTA countries was harmonization of safety standards and practices.
Given this rationale, he asked why Canadian authorities continue
to insist that the new Canadian truck driver work limits be substantially
higher than those in the United States.
| Comparison of U.S. and Canadian Truck
Driver Hours of Work Proposals |
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U.S |
Canada |
| Limit on driving hours in a single
shift |
12 |
14 (16) |
| Limit on driving hours in a week |
60 |
84 |
| Mandatory two nights off-duty every
week |
yes |
no |
| Mandatory electronic recorders (enforce
limits) |
yes |
no |
For more information visit
www.web.ca/~crash
Local 1778 Summer Picnic, Sun. July 15
Mark your calendars! The 10th annual Local 1778 Summer
Picnic will be held, Sun. July 15th at Heywood Park in
North Vancouver.
The organizing committee wants to do something special to commemorate
the tenth year of summer fun and frolic. Stay tuned for more details
in the June issue of Meeting Point.
RJ Strain Retires
After 29 years of service, Bob Strain booked permanent rest after
his last run out of Lillooet, Feb. 24.
Good luck Bob. Here's wishing you a long and steady line of pension
checks! (see page 2)
Famous
One-liners (from the Internet)
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We are born naked, wet, and hungry.
Then things get worse. |
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Light travels faster than sound.
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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You can't have everything, where
would you put it? |
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Latest survey shows that 3 out of
4 people make up 75% of the world's population. |
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Eat right. Stay fit.
Die anyway. |
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The things that come to those that
wait may be the things left by those who got there first. |
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When you're swimming in the creek,
and an eel bites your cheek, that's a moray! |
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A fine is a tax for doing wrong.
A tax is a fine for doing well. |
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The only cure for insomnia is to
get more sleep. |
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Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter
since nobody listens. |
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I started out with nothing, and
I still have most of it. |
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The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have
a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability
you'll get it wrong. |
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It is said that if you line up all
the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough
to try and pass them. |
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A day without sunshine is like night
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I wonder how much deeper the ocean
would be without sponges. |
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Honk if you love peace and quiet.
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Despite the cost of living, have
you noticed how popular it remains? |
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Nothing is foolproof to a talented
fool. |
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He who laughs last thinks slowest.
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Depression is merely anger without
enthusiasm. |
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The early bird may get the worm,
but the second mouse gets the cheese. |
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I intend to live forever - so far
so good. |
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Borrow money from a pessimist -
they don't expect it back. |
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The only substitute for good manners
is fast reflexes. |
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When everything's coming your way,
you're in the wrong lane, going the wrong way. |
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If at first you don't succeed, destroy
all evidence that you tried. |
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A conclusion is the place where
you got tired of thinking. |
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Experience is something you don't
get until just after you need it. |
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For every action there is an equal
and opposite criticism. |
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Never do card tricks for the group
you play poker with. |
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No one is listening until you make
a mistake. |
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Success always occurs in private
and failure in full view. |
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The severity of the itch is inversely
proportional to the ability to reach it. |
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To succeed in politics, it is often
necessary to rise above your principles. |
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Two wrongs are only the beginning.
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A clear conscience is usually the
sign of a bad memory. |
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Change is inevitable except from
vending machines. |
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Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
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If you think nobody cares, try missing
a couple of payments. |
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Love may be blind but marriage is
a real eye-opener. |
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If at first you don't succeed, then
skydiving isn't for you. |
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The way to a man's heart is through
his chest. |
Little Bones
By Junk Yard Dog
Lat 49 - 18- 72" N
Lon.123 -05-14" W
"AVAST!" Ye one armed rabid sea-monkey! Sneakin up on
me like that, why I oughta run ye through!
"Now, where was I? Oh ya, like I was tellin the skipper, me
an Sled Dog was chewin the fat, lappin up the rum, still singin
"Ding-Dong the Witch is Dead", "Hey, Mr. Tallyman",
an' other classics, when it was brought te our attention that a
new collective agreement has been signed."
We was surveyin' the heavens, an ponderin' the future, an like
Ann Landers says, "Life is not always as it seems, so follow
yer heart, an chase yer dreams." Like JYD says, "Life
is te short te drink cheap rum."
OK, we just got word from the crow's nest that the harbour patrol
has been seen in the area, so we gots te shove off. See Ya in June!
JYD
Locals Send Members to CLC Winter School
Three members of local 1778 and four members of local 1923 attended
the five-day Canadian Labour Congress Winter School at Harrison
Hotsprings Resort early this year.
Here's a list of the members from each local, and the education
they received:
Local 1778
David Moorhouse
Pensions: A Union Perspective
Glen Evans
Willy Skorberg
Occupational Health and Safety - Level 1
Local 1923
Robert Girard
Collective bargaining - Level 1
Mike Robertson
Facing Management
Dave Lamarche
Roxanna Bowman
Union Counselling-Level 1
(Roxanna's participation was sponsored jointly by the UTU and BC
Rail in support of her new position on the Employee and Family Assistance
Advisory Committee)
Defining
job stress
ICFTU Trade Union World/CALM
According to the International Labour Organisation, "job stress
can be defined as the harmful physical and emotional response that
occurs when the requirements of the job do not match the capabilities,
resources or needs of the worker. Job stress can lead to poor health
and even injury. Long-term exposure to job stress has been linked
to an increased risk of musculoskeletal disorders, depression and
job burnout, and may contribute to a range of debilitating diseases,
ranging from cardiovascular disease to cancer.
"Stressful working conditions also may interfere with an employee's
ability to work safely, contributing to work injuries and illnesses.
In the workplace of the 1990s, the most highly ranked and frequently
reported organizational stressors are potential job loss, technological
innovation, change, and ineffective top management. At the work
unit level, work overload, poor supervision, and inadequate training
are the top-ranking stressors."
Bylines
~ Dennis Byron ~
Chairperson, Local 1923
Greed. Probably the Ace the company has up its sleeve. Offer
enough money and even the rest clause goes away. Had to represent
a member at a hearing as a result of the rest clause. He was instructed
to bring his train in over his hours and because he would not, he
was issued a hearing letter for refusing the instructions of a supervisor.
I will not get in to particulars but, prior to attending the hearing,
I had a discussion with a senior supervisor who laughed when I said
that the rest clause was introduced to address fatigue and safety.
Guess I couldnt blame him for finding that humourous when
we consider what is happening on one particular subdivision. New
days were the rage. Now its extended tie-ups if a crew brings
the train in over their hours.
The point I am trying to make here is that we know that the company
would like longer hours on the road and I am sure they are building
a case to support their request. The selling of any article in the
Collective Agreement is appalling, but not holding the railway accountable
to the rest clause is, quite frankly, despicable.
Most members are out working to the Collective Agreement, Letter
of Understanding or arbitration award. Any deviation from these
accepted practises erodes the ability of the GCOA to make progress
at discussions on the various issues and will come back to bite
us in the ass at negotiations.
Work to the Collective Agreement and we make the railway accountable.
D.G. Byron
Local Chairperson
Local 1923
Is your job boring?
Internet/CALM
Worker dead at desk for five days. Bosses of a publishing firm
are trying to work out why no one noticed that one of their employees
had been sitting dead at his desk for five days before anyone asked
if he was feeling OK.
George Turklebaum, 51, who had been employed as a proof-reader
at a New York firm for 30 years had a heart attack in the open plan
office he shared with 23 other workers. He quietly passed away on
Monday, but nobody noticed until Saturday morning when an office
cleaner asked why he was still at work during the weekend.
His boss, Elliot Wachiaski said, "George was always the first
guy in each morning and the last to leave at night, so no one found
it unusual that he was in the same position all the time and didn't
say anything. He was always very absorbed in his work and kept much
to himself." A post-mortem examination revealed that he had
been dead for five days after suffering a coronary.
Ironically,
George was proof-reading manuscripts of medical textbooks when he
died.
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General Chairperson's Column
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Phone: (604) 434-8075
Fax:(604) 434-9380 |
~ Bob Sharpe ~
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Cell: (604) 220-3488
rksharpe@axionet.com
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Brothers and Sisters:
I would like to thank all the Sisters and Brothers who took the
time to come out to the CTU ratification meetings and those who
returned their ratification ballots. We had an overall return of
approximately 66%, which is quite high for mail ballots. The vote
was 70% in favour of accepting the Memorandum of Agreement. The
CTU has had one meeting with BC Rail on outstanding issues such
as the prescription card and the tax structure for weekly indemnity
payments. We have set up a protocol and process to discuss other
issues that were left to be negotiated during the closed period.
If and when these issues from the main table are tentatively agreed
upon, they will go to you, the members, for ratification.
We have recently concluded negotiations on the new Whistler Northwinds
Tour Train Service. These negotiations have been proceeding on an
on-again/off-again basis for approximately two years. This new service
will be conductor-only. This agreement will not be prejudicial to
the crew consist language in our collective agreement today. The
conductor will not have any responsibilities on the passenger equipment
and there is no baggage on this train. The conductor's duties on
this service will be in the locomotive cab, very similar to freight
service. This service is very similar to the Rocky Mountaineer,
which has been manned in this manner since it went into service.
The one issue still being discussed involves the rest facilities
at Pemberton.
The Railway has started a pilot project with beltpack in Prince
George. The 0730 and 1400 yards have been scheduled to go beltpack
once training has been completed. I believe the results of beltpack
on BC Rail will be decided based on this pilot project. We are still
working out some issues with the Railway and the Ministry. A meeting
is scheduled for March 16th at the Ministry offices. I would like
to thank Tim Watson who has accepted the position as UTU beltpack
trainer and is being trained at this time. We will keep you advised
as things progress with this project.
We have had another successful CLC Winter School at Harrison where
seven members from our locals attended various courses. We have
been able to continue this type of training through our education
fund. We're sending a member from each local to the region meeting
in Winnipeg from the education fund this year. The UTU has developed
a very good three-day education program for these region meetings.
We will also have two members from each local attend the UTU B.C.
Spring School in Kamloops on April 28th and 29th, 2001.
Brothers and Sisters, if you are interested in taking advantage
of any union education programs in the future, I encourage you to
advise your locals of your interest. I must remind you though, that
we will be asking you to put that education to work in assisting
the Union once you are trained.
For you members who have not seen Canadian Legislative Director,
Tim Secord's notice re Away From Home Expense Claims for 2000 income
taxes, the meal allowance is $11.00 per meal, three meals in twenty-four
hours.
Sisters and Brothers, we have been going through some monumental
changes over the last while. We have seen changes structurally and
operationally - some might say far too many in far too short a time!
We seem only to complete half of one change before we charge ahead
with some new program without knowing if the first one is going
to work. It would be a positive move if, for once, someone decided
to step back, take a deep breath, and assess what we are doing and
where we are going.
The one thing no one has taken the time to do is to thank you,
the Brothers and Sisters who, despite all odds, manage to keep this
place running in spite of the decisions being made outside of our
control. I, for one, would like to take this opportunity to thank
you all for your hard work and dedication through these changing
times.
Just a reminder: Safety is our primary concern.
~
Bob Sharpe ~
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